Lance Corporal

John Murray

As a Lance Corporal Murray's Regimental Pay per Diem would have been 1s. 2 1/2d. plus Working Pay per Diem of 1s. to 4s.

It should be noted: He was listed as Sapper in June 1861 Pay List.  Rank of Lance Corporal does not exist in 1861.

As a Sapper Murray's Regimental Pay per Diem would have been 1s. 2 1/2d. plus Working Pay per Diem of 1s. to 4s.

 Major Matthews (City Archivist) said, "Well, when the RE went away, didn't they take all their accoutrements away with them?"
Murray: "Those who went back to the regiment did.  But, there was a whole lot of uniforms, accoutrements, short Enfield rifles, stores, which were left behind; that remained at the Camp.  All the equipment they left behind remained at the Camp for years.  We lived next door; that was why Father was looking after those stores."
Matthews: "Well, I thought he left the RE when they went back."
Murray: "So he did, but the uniforms and equipment was in the old Store next to our place; in the old abandoned RE store building.

"Just previous to Governor Seymour arriving, there was a company formed called the Seymour Artillery, and the belts, pouches and sword (bayonet) and rifles formerly belonging to the RE, which had been left behind, were served out to the Seymour Artillery.  I know, because Father was one of the principles in the Seymour Artillery, and I saw it done."

 --Memorandum of conversation with John Murray,
son of Sapper John Murray RE.
Saturday, 20 August 1938

According to Woodward:

John Murray, Regimental Number 509

1857 - Trade, shoemaker
1858 - Travelled on Thames City with wife
1859 - Son, Hugh, born on Thames City

We only averaged about five miles an hour, but don't think the six-month voyage from England around the Horn was monotonous."  Mr. Murray (Son of Lance Corporal Murray) told the Daily Province. "  One of the chief factors in whiling away the hours was the publishing of the "Emigrant Soldier's Gazette and Cape Horn Chronicle".  Published weekly by Corporal Charles Sinnett and Lt. H.S. Palmer, the novel paper recorded all the events and 'gossip' aboard, including four births (one in the midst of a Cape Horn tornado), and two deaths.  My brother John was born about two months before we arrived at Esquimalt."

--12th April, 1939
The Daily Province

A few weeks after the arrival of the HQ and the troops off the Thames City, Murray was part of a 6 man crew shifting cargo on the wharf at new Westminster one dark and stormy night.

New Westminster, BC
22nd May, 1859

Proceedings of an Inquest held at New Westminster upon the body of a Soldier (Sapper Jones RE) which was found floating in the Fraser River by Thomas Pamphlet of the "Brig Cadborough" who reported the matter to the Stipendiary Magistrate.

A Jury having been summoned consisting of the following persons - W. J. Armstrong, John T. Scott. T. W. English, Ernest Picht, Thomas Moloney, R. Dickenson, Edgar Dewdney, W. G. Peacock, John Ramage, L. Hoys, E. Brown, J. Kennedy.

The Jury having been duly sworn the following evidence was taken -

1st Witness Thomas Pamphlet being duly sworn states, that being on board the Brig Cadborough this morning about 9 o' clock, he saw what he supposed to be a human body floating down the River, an immediately took a boat to examine it and found it to be the body of a Soldier in his working dress, he got assistance and took it on board the boat.

2nd Witness Acting Quarter Master Sergeant Osment RE having been duly sworn, states, he has examined the body, and by the general appearance of it and the initials on the stockings he believes it to be that of Sapper T. Jones, RE.

3rd Witness Sapper John Murray, RE, having been duly sworn states that on Saturday the 27 April, I came down to New Westminster from the North Camp in a boat under the orders of Quarter master Sergeant Osment RE the crew consisting of six sappers including Jones.  We went alongside the Steamer Beaver and put the baggage of Colonel Moody and Captain Parsons on board.  We then went to the Wharf and afterwards when crossing from the Steamer Governor Douglas to the Beaver, I being I advance, heard a slash in the water and the cry of a man overboard.  This was about 9 o'clock pm. and on the men being mustered we found that Sapper Jones was missing.  From the general appearance of the Corpse I saw today, I believe it to be that of Sapper Jones.

Dr. Seddall, Staff Assistant Surgeon in medical advice states, I have seen the body of the deceased and am of the opinion that he came by his death by drowning.  The contused state of the face and head would lead to the belief, that he struck against the side of the Steamer in his descent to the water.  I  am further of opinion that eight or 10 days must have elapsed since the deceased met his death.

After mature deliberation we the above have come to the unanimous conclusion and return the following verdict - that the deceased met with his death by drowning accidentally.

Spaulding, JP and Coroner

30 June 1861 - listed as Sapper on Consolidated Pay List
1861 - Secretary of Fire Company, New Westminster
1862 - on St. Andrew's Committee, New Westminster
1866 - Serjeant, Seymour Artillery Company
30 Nov. 1870 - received militray land grant, Lot 201, Group 1, New Westminster District, 150 acres.
1863 - Discharged, New Westminster
1863 - 1882 - Shoemaker, New Westminster
1882 - moved onto military grant which he subdivided, forming Port Moody, British Columbia
13 April 1905 - Died, Port Moody, at the age of 72

 Survived by 3 sons and 3 daughters

1913 - Son John and alderman, Port Moody, at Incorporation
1914 - 1918 councillor, Burnaby
1924 - 1925 councillor, Burnaby